Curse

Mysterial · Oct 26, 2005, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Rico Carridan

I think the ideal fix to this has been suggested a number of times, and it seems to me that it is so easy for them to implement. Like 10 lines of code easy. Just make a flag that when a player enter's Yak's Bend (for example) then that flag is changed and that player loses access to Ascalon arena. Likewise, when the player gets to either forge or Lion's (the next arena towns), then a flag is set so they lose access to Yak's arena. Ridiculously easy to implement, and would make these arenas so much better.

Rico

Hmm, that's actually a pretty good idea. If the trigger for "leveling out" is based on how far you've gotten, then it's mostly like what we have now, only you can't run to Droknar's Forge and come back. That seems like it would fix the problem without affecting other aspects of the game as e.g. a level requirement would.

Former Ruling · Nov 07, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

I just went into the arena a few times if my lvl7 Necromancer just to see...

First fight..a lvl10 enemy ranger used Apply Poison (knew it was done with that) and preceded to own each member in a row with bow attacks you dont get til much later in the game.

I didnt see my first elite there for a few more rounds, but plenty of people in max stat armor (some 15k armor) and skills their not to have.

I finally quit when I was beat by a lvl11 that said they had won 53 consecutive times..

living too die · Nov 07, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Get ready this is Living Too Dies 2 cents! I agree that something really does need to be done about the high end skills and armor being used in ascalon/ YB arenas. It really demoralizes people trying new builds through arena play (the inexperienced people that prefer random arenas to topk). In my opinion, the people that do use ridiculously overwhelmig armor/ skills are gutless.. they dont have what it takes to compete in the tombs or even the max level arenas. As for me.. I dont complain about it (complaining isnt getting anything fixed so maybe everyone should just suck it up and figure a way to deal with it). Since i play PvE as much as PvP, I use my PvE chars for PvP.. mainly topk not arenas. I use my PvE characters in the arenas that they are allowed to go into with the proper skills, this helps figure out a build through competitive fighting. I dealt with these people one way... I created a mesmer.. I totally rocked the yaks and ascalon arenas with her just having low ball skills. Anyway.. good strategy can still beat uber armor/ skills all you gotta do is stay cool and exploit their weaknesses

se7en18 · Nov 07, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

I think this whole thread is a joke. You can't do anything about it, it's an effective way of getting faction, and ArenaNet doesnt seem to mind.. It's not like faction makes you better anyway.. I dont know any PvP characters that are better than PvE characters.. It's sad that you level 20's are so angry about other people farming Faction, when u go out to Sorrows Furnace and farm, doing the same exact thing. Plus, nobody cares about noobies and people who just started playing

. Second of all, Anyone can get their character to level 20 in about 24 hours, so do it and quit complaining.

Eder · Nov 07, 2005, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by se7en18

Plus, nobody cares about noobies and people who just started playing

. Second of all, Anyone can get their character to level 20 in about 24 hours, so do it and quit complaining.

Gee, how come ANet hasn't hired you yet?

widds2v · Nov 07, 2005, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I play the arenas with "twinked" chars, and I will continue to until Arenanet does something to block it. While I would much rather just be able to roll a char, lvl him to 10, and play in there, you cant. 75% of the people in the lvl 10 & 15 arena are twinks, if you try to play in there legit you're gonna get rolled, and getting rolled is not fun. It's even gotten to the point you cant just equip your char with good equip & runes, you have to go out and get elites now to compete. Don't even get me started on unkillable monks.

Elistan Theocrat · Nov 08, 2005, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Thats exactly what I was talking about. People who perpetuate this extraordinarily lame behavior think that I am against it because I care so much that I lost in the ascalon arena without droks/elites. This is incorrect. The ONLY people who give a damn about winning and losing in the ascalon arena are the losers who feel the need to bring shit that doesnt belong.

I remember when this started. These arenas used to be quite fun and competition there used to be good. Then anet in its flailing, misguided attempt to appease the FPS crowd removed experience from the arenas. Thus faction farming by tipping the balance of the arenas was born. Anet failed to realize that 15% of the playerbase really is the lowest of the low and will have no qualms upon infringing on the balance of the game (in those areas) or the enjoyment of the game for others.

It doesn't confront me personally anymore as all 4 of my pve characters are now overlvled for those arenas, but its a shame that I have to tell new players in my guild that the first place they have the silightest chance of an even playing field is comp arena. All due to losers who actually think that winning in ascalon is so important that it merits exploiting a gap that anet has yet to close. Disgusting.

Former Ruling · Nov 08, 2005, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by se7en18

I think this whole thread is a joke. You can't do anything about it, it's an effective way of getting faction, and ArenaNet doesnt seem to mind.. It's not like faction makes you better anyway.. I dont know any PvP characters that are better than PvE characters.. It's sad that you level 20's are so angry about other people farming Faction, when u go out to Sorrows Furnace and farm, doing the same exact thing. Plus, nobody cares about noobies and people who just started playing

. Second of all, Anyone can get their character to level 20 in about 24 hours, so do it and quit complaining.

You assume alot in your post.

You assume everyone farms.

You assume every character that is low level is just a secondary character of someone who already has lvl20's.

And you assume everyone wants to rush through the game.

You know what assuming does...

True the arenas there are not important for people that just want to have their characters run throughthe game to farm.

They are there so the people that just started can learn about PvP and get a full experience about the game. I myself played 40+ game hours before I left Northern Shiverpeak's area (beacon's etc), and was about lvl14.

It isn't there for faction farming. Atleast not to the point where new players can no longer use the arenas.

AncientPC · Nov 09, 2005, 07:53 AM // 07:53

I agree that twinking needs to be fixed, but . . . I still wanna be the first person with fissure armor in Ascalon arena.

Elistan Theocrat · Nov 09, 2005, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by AncientPC

I agree that twinking needs to be fixed, but . . . I still wanna be the first person with fissure armor in Ascalon arena.

You're fired.

fiery · Nov 09, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

psn arrow.

Shaquira · Nov 09, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

I have characters that have been run and are the exact opposite.

4 characters on a new account, all lvl 18 (atm) with only pre-searing skills.

Don't flame me but i have taken the quest to lvl and ascend them, do the secondary changing quests and then selecting which secondary i will take for each of the skill giving quests. That way i can fill my skills most efficiently.

Shaquira

Sofonisba · Nov 09, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Shaquira

I have characters that have been run and are the exact opposite.

4 characters on a new account, all lvl 18 (atm) with only pre-searing skills.

Don't flame me but i have taken the quest to lvl and ascend them, do the secondary changing quests and then selecting which secondary i will take for each of the skill giving quests. That way i can fill my skills most efficiently.

Shaquira

I don't think anyone minds this at all. It's only the twinkies in the arenas that really bother people--they REALLY bother me.

I have two accounts, and was going to have a little fun; I used my pvp slot to create one more pve character to unlock skills and play in the arena. I've since sworn off the lower level arenas for good. Not because I want to, but because it is necessary to keep sanity. The pvp slot will stay free now forever.

It is sad that ANet, for all the great things they do, do not see the loser arena twinkies as a problem.

Victory Gaint · Nov 13, 2005, 11:25 PM // 23:25

ok heres my story. I play alot in the arenas, both lower-class and the comp. arenas. In the lower-class arenas, i have seen about 127 ppl so far with 15k armor. Another case is when i play in the arenas...there are ppl lvl 3-16 in the competition arenas, and lvl 2-8's in the shiverpeak and team arenas. I think they should put a lvl restriction on the arenas and Marhan's Grotto and Granite Citadel because low lvls are "cheating" through the game. I don't know or care if anyone disagrees on this subject, please do not flame at me if i am wrong or such.

calamitykell · Nov 14, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17

I think it's wrong for people to get armor from anywhere beyond Ascalon and take it into Ascalon Arena. I think it's wrong for people to get armor from anywhere beyond Yak's Bend and take it into Yak's Bend. Those people should be banned, pure and simple.

But a level 4 in droks at Team Arenas still only has what, 160 hp? 210 with a Sup vigor. 85 with no vigor + a sup anything else, 135 with a sup vigor + a sup anything else.

Not enough attribute points to be useful. But hey, if 4 people wanna team up as level 4 to try a build, more power to them! Though in CA, yeah it should be restricted 15-20.

Racthoh · Nov 14, 2005, 01:43 AM // 01:43

I believe this topic has been discussed heavily in the past, and numerous people have made suggestions before. I think they've mentioned something in one of the fansite fridays about putting a stop to it, but I can't recall for certain.

Mesmerized · Nov 14, 2005, 02:26 AM // 02:26

I'm somewhat torn between AL limits in arenas and not.. but only because of my old days in Diablo II. I was a heavy LLDer (low level dueler) and constantly made characters that ranged from level 9 to level 33, with the complete purpose of taking out HIGHER levels. The only difference though is that in DII, those LLD characters were often somewhat praised by people equal to their level and higher as being pretty bamf. LLD in guild wars just comprises of getting elite skills, and high AL, and picking on those lower then you. I'm not sure where I'm going with this now, because I looked away at the history channel for a minute.. but yeah, LLD in guild wars is about faction farming, whereas it would be looked up on and not looked down on if it was about taking out higher levels.

Victory Gaint · Nov 14, 2005, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by calamitykell

But a level 4 in droks at Team Arenas still only has what, 160 hp? 210 with a Sup vigor. 85 with no vigor + a sup anything else, 135 with a sup vigor + a sup anything else.

Not enough attribute points to be useful. But hey, if 4 people wanna team up as level 4 to try a build, more power to them! Though in CA, yeah it should be restricted 15-20.

i agree with all that but it creates an unfair and "unfun"(?)advantage...

AncientPC · Nov 14, 2005, 05:26 AM // 05:26

I'll admit I've twinked in Ascalon Arena for kicks, but there really isn't much faction farming going on. It's more like how well you can play with a very small amount of health / skill points.

It's retarded, I suck at HoH and I can still farm more faction in 30 minutes than 3 hours at Ascalon Arena.

bobrath · Nov 14, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Mesmerized

I'm somewhat torn between AL limits in arenas and not.. but only because of my old days in Diablo II. I was a heavy LLDer (low level dueler) and constantly made characters that ranged from level 9 to level 33, with the complete purpose of taking out HIGHER levels. The only difference though is that in DII, those LLD characters were often somewhat praised by people equal to their level and higher as being pretty bamf. LLD in guild wars just comprises of getting elite skills, and high AL, and picking on those lower then you. I'm not sure where I'm going with this now, because I looked away at the history channel for a minute.. but yeah, LLD in guild wars is about faction farming, whereas it would be looked up on and not looked down on if it was about taking out higher levels.

But even LLD had the notion of BM (bad manners). There's nothing like that in the current environment of Guildwars. D2 had the limitation on skills and equipment based solely against levels, and again Guildwars has nothing like that. I loved LLD or even VLLD in D2. It was fun trying to get every last bit of damage/health out of limited set of options. Guildwars... makes everything available to every level (if you're willing to pay). There's no real notion (at this time) of a low level or mid level arena.

Arenas right now only have a check against levels. Add a check to see if your char has gone through Yaks/LA/Forge and you've not changed PvE at all, but suddenly the low and mid level arenas become a very *fun* playground again. I know we're not working for Anet, but jeez... it sounds so simple.